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Daisy and Dazed should get a kick outta this...

Postby keepitreal » Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:57 am

Daisy and Dazed should get a kick outta this...

by Meteor Blades
Sun Jan 31, 2010 at 09:15:56 PM PST

Glenn Greenwald writes:

To see how radical our establishment consensus in this area has become, just consider two facts. First, look at the Terrorism policies of what had previously been the most right-wing administration in America's history: the Reagan administration. In this post yesterday, Larry Johnson does quite a good job of documenting how Terrorism by Islamic radicals had been a greater problem in the 1980s than it is now. There was the 1983 bombing of our Marine barracks in Lebanon, a 1982 and 1984 bombing of Jewish sites in Argentina, numerous plane hijackings, the blowing up of a Pan Am jet, the Achille Lauro seizure, and what the State Department called "a host of spectacular, publicity-grabbing events that ultimately ended in coldblooded murder" (many masterminded by Abu Nidal).

Despite that, read the official policy of the Reagan Administration when it came to treating Terrorists, as articulated by the top Reagan State Department official in charge of Terrorism policies, L. Paul Bremer, in a speech he entitled "Counter-Terrorism: Strategies and Tactics:"

"Another important measure we have developed in our overall strategy is applying the rule of law to terrorists. Terrorists are criminals. They commit criminal actions like murder, kidnapping, and arson, and countries have laws to punish criminals. So a major element of our strategy has been to delegitimize terrorists, to get society to see them for what they are -- criminals -- and to use democracy’s most potent tool, the rule of law against them."

It was also Ronald Reagan who signed the Convention Against Torture in 1988 -- after many years of countless, horrific Terrorist attacks -- which not only declared that there are "no exceptional circumstances whatsoever" justifying torture, but also required all signatory countries to "ensure that all acts of torture are offences under its criminal law" and -- and Reagan put it -- "either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution." And, of course, even George W. Bush -- at the height of 9/11-induced Terrorism hysteria -- charged attempted shoe bomber Richard Reid with actual crimes and processed him through our civilian courts.

How much clearer evidence can there be of how warped and extremist we've become on these matters? The express policies of the right-wing Ronald Reagan -- "applying the rule of law to terrorists"; delegitimizing Terrorists by treating them as "criminals"; and compelling the criminal prosecution of those who authorize torture -- are now considered on the Leftist fringe. Merely advocating what Reagan explicitly adopted as his policy -- "to use democracy’s most potent tool, the rule of law against" Terrorists -- is now the exclusive province of civil liberties extremists. In those rare cases when Obama does what Reagan's policy demanded in all instances and what even Bush did at times -- namely, trials and due process for accused Terrorists -- he is attacked as being "Soft on Terror" by Democrats and Republicans alike. And the mere notion that we should prosecute torturers (as Reagan bound the U.S. to do) -- or even hold them accountable in ways short of criminal proceedings -- is now the hallmark of a Far Leftist Purist. That's how far we've fallen, how extremist our political consensus has become.

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Re: Daisy and Dazed should get a kick outta this...

Postby DazedandConfused » Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:23 am

KeepItReal, the whole ballgame changed dramatically on 9-11. The United States came under direct attack. Dealing with Japan was a little bit less intent before they attacked Pearl Harbor. I don't equate dripping water on a terrorist as torture. Torture cutting off a persons head while chanting praise to Allah.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (Arabic: خالد شيخ محمد‎; also transliterated as Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, and additionally known by at least fifty aliases)[3][4][5] (born March 1, 1964, or April 14, 1965) is a prisoner in U.S. custody for alleged acts of terrorism, including mass murder of civilians. He was charged on February 11, 2008, with war crimes and murder by a U.S. military commission and faces the death penalty if convicted.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was an alleged member of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda organization, although he lived in Kuwait rather than Afghanistan, heading al-Qaeda's propaganda operations from sometime around 1999. The 9/11 Commission Report alleges that he was "the principal architect of the 9/11 attacks." He is also alleged to have confessed to a role in many of the most significant terrorist plots over the last twenty years, including the World Trade Center 1993 bombings, the Operation Bojinka plot, an aborted 2002 attack on the U.S. Bank Tower in Los Angeles, the Bali nightclub bombings, the failed bombing of American Airlines Flight 63, the Millennium Plot, and the murder of Daniel Pearl.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was captured in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, on March 1, 2003, by the Pakistani ISI, possibly in a joint action with agents of the American Diplomatic Security Service, and has been in U.S. custody since that time. In September 2006, the U.S. government announced it had moved Mohammed from a secret prison to the facility at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp.[6] The Red Cross, Human Rights Watch and Mohammed have claimed that the harsh treatment and waterboarding he received from U.S. authorities, amounts to torture.[7][8]

In March 2007, after four years in captivity, including six months of detention and alleged torture at Guantanamo Bay, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed — as it was claimed by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal Hearing[9] in Guantanamo Bay — confessed to masterminding the September 11 attacks, the Richard Reid shoe bombing attempt to blow up an airliner over the Atlantic Ocean, the Bali nightclub bombing in Indonesia, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and various foiled attacks.[10]

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Re: Daisy and Dazed should get a kick outta this...

Postby DazedandConfused » Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:39 am

This is really a continuation of my last post because the website was acting funky(a left wing conspiracy :lol: ). Every attempt to deal with Islam since the creation of Isreal have been failures. I gotta go, but I will continue this when I get back.
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Re: Daisy and Dazed should get a kick outta this...

Postby DAISYCUTTER » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:05 am

Keepitreal; HOLY CRAP!!!! I had no idea Ronald Reagan was so soft of terrorism, thanks for opening up my eyes! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

OK lets get serious now. Do you really believe that if Ronald Reagan was President today, he would be soft on terrorism????? As dazed mentioned, 9/11 changed everything, because Islam declared war on us, from that moment on! You can call Ronald Reagan what you wish, but being soft on foreign policy or terrorism cannot be one of them! In my opinion, Ronald Reagan was the greatest President of my lifetime, and believe it or not JFK comes in at a close second! See I can be bipartisan! :wink: :wink: :wink:

By the way, if JFK was alive today, would he be booted out of the present democratic party? I would say, YES! After all he believed in lowering tax rates, to increase business activity, a big no- no in the present democratic party! Also he stared down Russia and won, in the Cuban missile crisis. In other words, he showed balls of steel, and backbone, something that's clearly missing, in the present democratic party!
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Re: Daisy and Dazed should get a kick outta this...

Postby DazedandConfused » Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:19 pm

KeepItReal, why do you believe you can link me to any one person. I am not into hero worship. I and that is a capital I do not believe in granting Islamic Terrorists Civil Rights, and I don't walk in lockstep with anybody. I agree with Daisy that Reagan was the best president of my lifetime, but he was certainly not perfect. I fully support abortion and stem cell research. How to you think that fits in with the Republican agenda? I know you think you accomplished something with that post, but believe me you did not accomplish shit. 8)
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Re: Daisy and Dazed should get a kick outta this...

Postby keepitreal » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:41 am

EXACTLY the point in fact, Dazed !!

I can sit here ALL DAY LONG and match article for article, in oposition, anything posted on here by anyone...ESPECIALLY DAISY !!!
...and what does it accomplish ?!? SHIT !! NADA !! NOT A PHUKIN' THING !!

Sad really...that I've wasted soooo much time... :roll:

Live with the knowledge though, that if things are not better 3 more years from now...my votes will be appropriate to my opinions...

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